[joshrivers]

This will probably be fixed in a soon software update.

HW sensor issues are strange, but understandable in a new product. Also, it's a pretty small impact.

The damning thing in your statement is your conversation with apple engineers...but you don't provide any information from that conversation.

Two minor quibbles with the new phone, and a secret, don't really add up to a reason for us to doubt Apple. Can you elucidate your claims, or do you just have 'a bad feeling about this'?

[varelse]

I'm not asking you to doubt Apple. All I'm giving is an opinion based on my own recent data, a small amount of which is privy to me (and for purposes of tact will remain so).

If it's just me, then I'm an anomaly and I should be soundly ignored. Time will tell.

That said, I flirt with dumping Android for IOS every time my contract comes up for renewal. Given the reports of 5S performance relative to everything else out there, I was enthusiastically looking forward to getting one. Now, not so much, and I'm considering sticking with the devil I know yet again.

Yes, both these first world problems will be addressed - I spent many years doing driver work so I know that's a given - but it seems like a real step down given that IOS 7 was in the hands of testers for at least 7 months prior to release (according to friends who revealed themselves as such post-release).

[erichocean]

FWIW I'm a very happy 5s user. It's crazy fast, and I love the upgraded camera (I'm shocked how well it works). TouchID is also nice (I didn't previously use a PIN). I was using an iPhone 4. I also develop for iOS.

I'm not very fond of iOS 7, the "fuck Scott Forstall" release. The management on the software side is acting like teenagers, trying to rid his contributions without giving a shit about the customer in the process (c.f. the new Calendar app...).

Tim Cook should have kept Forstall and fired the other SVPs who supposedly couldn't get along with him, especially Craig Federighi. My god that was a bad decision, and iOS 7 is just the beginning.

Firing Forstall reminds me of firing Jobs back in the 80s, and I fully expect him to be Apple's CEO in the next 10-15 years. In the meantime, my expectations on the software side are low. They simply have no one qualified to steer the ship at this point.

[threeseed]

You're not making any sense. These are 5S specific bugs not general to iOS7.

[varelse]

So you're claiming me that IOS7 wasn't tested on pre-production 5S phones before the release of both of them?

That Apple didn't catch such flaming obvious usability issues blows my mind, but whatever floats your boat. They shipped Apple maps so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by anything anymore.

Since we have no idea what the root cause of these bugs is, I would not immediately conclude HW until it is proven so (because usually it's not). And even then, I doubt they will admit it's HW if there's a SW fix for them (which there usually is).

[threeseed]

No of course I am not saying that.

What I am saying is that the majority of testing would have been done with iOS7 on shipping devices which have had no issues. The issues seen are specific to 5S which clearly indicates driver or kernel problems.