[wilkie]

This would condone drugging your victim and is obviously and dangerously wrong.

[brazzy]

Yes, obviously that is an important exception, which doesn't change the fact that the statement is generally correct.

[Dylan16807]

I think you've forgotten that alcohol is such a drug that makes it harder to resist. It doesn't matter why the drug is in your system. So this situation goes back to the rape category.

[chris_wot]

No, it highlights the fact that what you have said is not correct, and a court of law would show you to be wrong.

[wilkie]

It highlights the fact that you are being far too general about when rape is allowed.

[brazzy]

Or the fact that you are being far too general about what is rape.

[wilkie]

Guess which of us that makes more likely to be morally right about this issue. I'll save you the trouble; it's me. If you are wrong about what is not rape, you've raped somebody. It's not hard to get clear consent.

[brazzy]

Ah, that's all that matters here, isn't it? that you are morally right and have no doubts about it. It's nice if one can make the world so simple.

[wilkie]

Yes, actually, I don't have any doubts about it. I'm removing the capacity for doubt by being responsibly cautious. That's my responsibility. That's our responsibility. It's not even remotely fantasy to consider this.