[thecodeore]

Further on the "tough luck" point, that is not how our legal system is suppose to work, the government infact does not get access to any information even if they have a reasonable suspicion it is being "sheltered", there are all kinds of limits that are suppose to exist, and the "tough luck" part is suppose to be the burden of the GOVERNMENT not the people,

[tedunangst]

You should probably cite some sources for your theory of how the legal system is supposed to work.

[thecodeore]

US Constitution, Federalist Papers, 100's of years of case law, the very concept of innocent until proven guilty, all that supports the notation that the burdens are placed upon the GOVERNMENT not the people.

THe laws allowing for Pen Trap's are very clear that the pen trap must not cause undue hardship on the business in question, and there are simliar limits on all of the powers of government

The idea that the government has, or should have, unlimited power to destroy businesses and individuals in the pursuit of "justice" is not only ridiculous but very dangerous

[tptacek]

Could you perhaps cite one case in the hundreds of years of case law that supports the argument that privacy concerns override the right of the courts to every man's evidence?