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by tptacek 4641 days ago
Weren't there games held in Nazi Germany?
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That's a good point. Did the Nazis threaten to imprison openly Jewish or black athletes? As I recall, Hitler had to do some PR spinning because a black athlete won one of the track and field events over the 'pure' Germans. Did any athletes risk jail time over this?

The fact that Russia wants to imprison the athletes for being open about what they are is an affront to the games themselves. Hitler didn't even imprison Olympic athletes that didn't match with his views.

Putin wants to imprison openly gay athletes? Really?
I don't understand the point of your question. Can you elaborate?

It is certainly true that the games were held in Nazi Germany. I don't know what pointing this out has to do with whether or not it can be morally wrong to hold the games in a country with a sufficient level of human rights abuses. Clearly my position is that holding them in Nazi Germany was morally wrong.

That organizers made bad choices in the past does not negate my position or diminish my point.

When the games got held in Nazi Germany , they were used as PR for the Nazi regime. This is what Putin is planning to do as well. Maybe we should learn from our historic mistakes rather than use them as guidelines...
That didn't work so well for the Nazis; between the many track and field victories of the American Jesse Owens and excellent sportsmanship of many other international athletes, Nazi supremacy was at best marginalized.

Speaking of transcending political intentions, there's a story from those olympics where German long jumper Luz Long gave Jesse Owens tips to help him qualify for the event. There are countless other gestures that demonstrate the same spirit at that event.

How did that work out for the Nazis? Serious question; I have no idea.
Not very well...

Considering Jesse Owens threw SERIOUS doubt on the Nazi precept of racial superiority.

Certain American athletes also chased Hitler from the Stadium once the Track and Field events started, and Hitler was informed by the IOC that he must receive ALL winners... or none.

Hitler chose to receive none.

After the first day... seeing how things were going... he no longer attended the stadium.

In Jesse's autobiography he said that Hitler didn't snub him, but that Roosevelt did. We worth googling.
I just made a todo for myself: "investigate possible moral equivalence between Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Adolf Hitler". You'll understand if it takes me awhile to get to that one.
Do you view the comment you replied to as suggesting that moral equivalence?
Yep.