[ferdo]

> criminals, by definition, commit crimes -- violations of criminal law.

This is only true if one takes the State's part in these discussions. The State can claim that certain forms of agriculture are illegal but that doesn't magically make those forms of agriculture criminal endeavors in anyone's eyes but those with an interest in the State's narrative.

[dragonwriter]

> This is only true if one takes the State's part in these discussions.

No, the definition of what "criminals" means is independent of the value judgement of the correctness of the state's laws.

[ferdo]

> the definition of what "criminals" means is independent of the value judgement of the correctness of the state's laws.

Do you have proof which is not from a State-backed agency on this assertion?