[paxcoder]

This gay story, as well as one (especially) of the comments on the actual article, and your comment; something's very wrong with all three. I was about to ask if I'm the only one who sees that, but if you were downvoted, I guess I'm not. I'm glad because seriously: WTH.

EDIT: Actually, the reason for the downvotes is probably the fact that it has nothing to do with hacking.

[etjossem]

Please give some thought to whether you might be intolerant before blaming your reaction on others. The specific things that "turn your stomach" here are a) men enjoying the admiration of other men, b) some commenters saying (a) was beautifully written, and c) further discussion of sexuality in the HN comments. You can't articulate why those three things bother you, but I am going to guess it's because you're not comfortable with the homosexual themes in "this gay story."

[tempestn]

It's unfortunate that there are essentially two very interesting but almost contradictory elements to this story. One is the incredible charisma and persuasive abilities of this sociopath from the point of view of someone subjected to them. The other is the shift in perspective the writer experienced at the time of the incident, not knowing that the person was a serial killer. He realized that it is possible to have strong feelings for someone of the same sex, to enjoy being admired by them, etc., even while not being interested in a homosexual relationship. It was probably a positive influence on his life. While it makes for an extremely compelling story, it's almost a shame the two are combined, because the original experience and its effect on the writer was in a way completely independent from the fact that the guy turned out to be a killer.

[paxcoder]

I'm not a gay supporter, but my "discomfort" is not the reason I'm this shocked. Certainly my morality influences how I view things. But I'd likewise be sickened by seduction of an innocent person of the same sex.

What disturbs me in this story is the described hypnotism. The snake almost manipulated the guy who is clear as day about having not one bit of interest in the same sex. To make him strip is brain washing. Had the marine been attracted to the same sex, I would be less disturbed.

Now consider the following. Perhaps it is not me who is intolerant, but perhaps you lack perspective. Bear with me, I bore with you: Imagine that the story was of a sadistic straight rapist. The almost-victim must be completely uninterested in sex; if you cannot imagine such a level of purity, imagine a lesbian. Now imagine that someone comments on the survival story of this kind that she wrote using words like "wonderful". Is that a normal reaction? And then someone asks the almost-victim if the experience has made the victim less willing to have sex with men. Now you're coming from the same place I'm coming from. (cue people calling you a bigot)

[moocowduckquack]

"Now imagine that someone comments on the survival story of this kind that she wrote using words like "wonderful". Is that a normal reaction?"

FFS. No-one is saying that this guy meeting a serial killer was wonderful. They are saying that the writing is.

[paxcoder]

If I were saying that, I'd make darn sure it's unambiguous.

[popee]

When you say gay story what do you mean? I'm straight but i don't think this is gay story, it involves homosexual momentum, like, let's say Naked Lunch, but is not pro or even against gays. Author really tried to make neutral view about everything and he tried to make human analysis of situation in which he was involved.

[paxcoder]

I said elsewhere that it reads like serial killer fan fiction. The fan that would write such a story would be gay. I hope I'm beginning to make some sense, if not, please ask more questions.

[moocowduckquack]

Bullshit, lots of straight authors write gay characters and vice-versa all the time in both fan-fiction and professionally published.

[paxcoder]

Somehow I'm assuming that someone who gets off to gay rape of straight men is gay. Am I a bigot again?

[Udo]

What do you mean when you say there's something wrong with all three?

[paxcoder]

Not sure how else to put it: There is too much of the killer in all three.

[Udo]

Well, the story is about an encounter with a serial killer, so of course there is too much of the killer in it. The comment you responded to is just trolling around, and getting downvoted for it. I still don't see what you mean, sorry.

[paxcoder]

The story is written as if it were fan fiction of the fan of the killer. Then there is a comment on it saying how "perfectly wonderful" and "absolutely magnificent" the story is. And then there's this guy, who isn't trolling(from a deleted comment I found out he didn't read the entire story), and inquires about the writer's same-sex relations after the encounter. As a bonus, there's also an article elsewhere "Why hasn't California executed Randy Kraft?", in which there's a comment which describes what the killer is doing, and urges people to write and send books to him. This all turns my stomach. It's morbid.

[Udo]

I know he didn't read the article. I guess technically what cam4er is doing would be called shitposting, but I tend to consolidate these related behaviors under the trolling category. Fact of the matter is, and I think we agree on that, his posts are low enough quality to get him banned.

I found the article itself very interesting, actually. Morbid of course, it's a serial killer story. I didn't get the impression that the killer was idolized though, it was more a description of how far almost-superhuman charisma can go and what it must feel like to be on the receiving end of it.

[enneff]

I read the "perfectly wonderful" comment and took it as a compliment on the author's writing ability. IMO he did a great job conveying an unusual social and emotional situation.