[lkrubner]

Where I work, we just had a long internal debate about the usefulness of monolithic frameworks such as Rails and Symfony. I argued against the frameworks, but much of the team is committed to using them. The convenience of having everything in one place apparently is important to a lot of people, despite all the problems that are caused by that. I posted the debate here:

http://www.smashcompany.com/technology/an-architecture-of-sm...

[steveklabnik]

It's not actually Rails that's the problem, often: it's a cultural issue. You can build a Rails app that has a very thin 'rails' layer and has a super well decoupled domain model layer.

[huntedsnark]

Absolutely, the Rails app I'm working on right now is just like this. Still feels like Rails but the complex logic and interactions can run without it.

[lucaspiller]

I would be interested to more details on how your architect things - we've been in the process of moving the business logic of our app into service objects as 2000 line models have become a bit unmanageable :D