[LekkoscPiwa]

yeah, like bribes to doctors so they actually perform this cancer tumor surgery to my dad instead of asking him to wait in line for months more. Seen a doctor? Has a belly and a family. Needs money. Simple. But some idiots believe in "free". There is no free. You pay a ton of money for healthcare in any system.

[mason55]

> There is no free. You pay a ton of money for healthcare in any system.

I'm confused. Is your argument that universal health care is more expensive than the current US system? Most studies have shown that to be false.[1]

I don't think anyone believes that universal health care is free.

[1] http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/21/4/88.long

[LekkoscPiwa]

go outside US and you will see that societies are concerned about people with deadly diseases like cancer having to wait months for surgeries. Because there arent enough doctors. Because there arent enough beds in hospitals. Because there just aeent enough medications. People have much more serious problems with socialized medicine than cost. ie waiting line of 6 months for prostate cancer surgery when every day counts. There are many much more important aspects of healthcare than affordability. Wouldnt you trade this 6 months waiting line for bankruptcy? Really?