Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by usaphp 4655 days ago
Here is my analogy:

1. You just finished your workout and went to a locker room at your gym (he went to a public website)

2. You opened up your own locker and took your stuff from it (checked his account)

3. You found out that very few people are using locks in the gym locker room (figured the account id in url )

4. You know that it is not your belongings in other people lockers, but they are not locked just because people are just lazy or don't want to spend money on the lock (he knew that those accounts do not belong to him, and were accidentally not locked by by at&t)

5. You decided if those lockers are not locked - that means that clothes inside of those lockers are public property and you can easily borrow them (tried to browser to other urls and get private account info)

6. You go ahead and try opening every single locker in a room and put all the belongings you find in opened lockers on ebay to make profit and sell it, BEFORE letting know the owners or the gym that those belongings are not locked. (sold private data to somebody)

I think thats not legal behavior, as long as you understand that the property you are taking is not yours - you are making a crime by taking it (stealing)

4 comments

Your analogy starts to break down somewhere around point 3 or 4. It's not that few people use a lock on their locker. A closer analogy would be that the gym installed an electronic lock on each locker, but didn't actually make sure they worked.

It also wildly disconnects around point 6. You make it sound like he stole everything that the users had in the accounts. In reality, he just copied their info. He didn't give himself anything from their accounts, like transferring credits to give himself free cable or something like that. Instead of stealing everything and selling it on eBay, it was more like him going through people's lockers, taking a picture of what they have inside, and then selling the pictures.

I reject that analogy pretty hard. Account ID is basically locker number. It's not a password/lock.
It's more like you meticulously wrote down the contents of the lockers without taking anything at all and then sold the information about what types of clothes people at your gym wear to a marketing firm.
How about replacing step three with "You notice that all the lockers have glass tops" and following that with a story about taking photographs?
Why would we want an analogy that more accurately reflects the reality of the situation? We're trying to justify this, not let him out on appeal.