[wat0]

wrong.

not racist.

it only affects people in government, and doesn't affect your household. If you work for the government, and don't like it move out.

it's a simple social contract. If you don't like what the government is doing, or what the citizens and government value more than your religious convictions, move somewhere else.

yes, i'm canadian

[pokoleo]

I don't understand your logic.

Can you edit/modify/respond to my post in a way that shows that choosing to limit what certain people who work in the government wear is not racist?

I don't want to start a flame war, but want to understand your opinion, which I honestly don't understand. The only way to have meaningful political dialogue is to understand each other.

[login1234]

Religion != race

[noarchy]

Keep spinning it that way, if you'd like. But the people who are (for example) Muslim or Sikh in Quebec tend to not be white. The Jewish population is another matter, but the Quebec nationalists have it in for them, too, and that goes back decades.

[wat2]

not racist.

Many feel it's targeted at immigrants like Muslims and Sikhs.

If you work for the government, and don't like it move out.

People would be FORCED to move out on the account of something that was not a problem until the PQ decided it was (for political gain too).

yes, i'm canadian

What an embarrassment.

[wat0]

What people feel doesn't make it fact.

An embarrassment? Hardly. You don't agree with me and therefore I am an embarrassment? How convenient of you.

Values can change. PQ are doing that. If you don't like it, go live somewhere else.

Great bait. I took it.

[TheLegace]

Why don't you leave Canada, go live in Arizona or Utah.

Have you read the Charter of Rights of Freedom, you know that law the entire country including Quebec is suppose to follow. I mean your to busy undermining the values of the country so you can have your own crappy value system. Why don't you people go live somewhere else like France where this sorta thing is so popular and productive.

Doesn't seem like the rest of Canada agrees with you. And I'd argue letting Quebec do whatever the fuck they want is the reason this is an issue in the first place.

Cognitive dissonance to the max.

[wat0]

I have read the charter, yes. have you? Do you forget that the religious freedoms part is mean that neither the citizens nor government dictate what religions to follow or practice. What Quebec is trying to change is how the government dictates how the government may represent itself, that is as secular. It still does not affect you personally, or how you identify yourself publicly at all; unless you work in government, but why would you want to work for the government? Doesn't pay well and is shit.

I don't think you understand cognitive dissonance at all. Do you presume to know how all of Canada feels? Perhaps the majority of people nearest you do share the same thoughts on the subject, and that you don't feel it's right. Just because someone happens to offer a different viewpoint than you, and you happen to disagree with it, doesn't mean that I have cognitive dissonance. I'm more than capable of accepting new ideas. This idea in particular is different than the one I grew up with and I happen to see value it in.

You clearly do not understand what I'm saying. I don't care what people practice, or how they are in their own homes or out in public. I don't feel untoward or speak ill of anyone who is religious or wants to wear things they consider to be part of whatever it is they consider to be their identity. What I do think is fair is that anyone representing government not display their beliefs. It's not fair that quebec has made distinctions between what is acceptable and not. Nothing should be worn by individuals. It doesn't matter nor does it help to perform your job. If you work somewhere, it'll most likely have a dress code. Consider this an extension of that.

I don't mind that many canadians feel this is a violation of the charter; maybe they should be thinking about what they value more: how government represents and polices itself or social identity. This has nothing to do with how the government treats citizens. Yes, citizens make up the government; but guess what - you're not representing segments and races: you're representing canada.

But isn't canada made up of many races? Am I seriously suggesting people not represent things they cannot change, which is skin colour or whatnot. no. but what are you really trying to accomplish in government? represent canada or whatever background you happened to be born into without choice.

you don't like my thoughts since it doesn't fit your ideal and initial world view: that's cognitive dissonance. I can accept people for who they are, and I really don't care about this issue as much as it may seem, despite replying to your bait and various others. At the end of the day, Quebec isn't going to get what they want, and canada is going to keep on rolling; you'll have your way, and I won't care what Quebec's decision is.

Still want me to leave? I bet you'd relish the thought. I'll stick around long enough to challenge your views though. enjoy.

[dataminer]

Its quite embarrassing that discrimination is going to be a part of Quebec's official values.