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by halfninety 4655 days ago
How do Apple get away with including iCloud in the OS without having companies like Dropbox up in arms? And they do call it "sync".
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Apple can do what it likes because it's not using an existing monopoly to create another monopoly. That's the issue with Windows.

Microsoft used it's monopoly with Windows to edge out competitor browsers and practically killed Netscape's business. When you have a monopoly, there are special laws that apply only to you so you don't abuse the market.

I'm pointing out that it seems like MS is using its monopoly with Windows to edge out the Dropbox service.

That is extraordinarily incorrect.

Apple can be prosecuted under the same exact anti-trust laws as Microsoft, regardless of market-share, if they've managed to cause harm per the government's findings.

Using a quasi-monopoly to create another quasi-monopoly is not illegal. Owning a quasi-monopoly is also not illegal.

I find people are often extremely confused about anti-trust law and the actual laws (and relative lack thereof) related to monopolies.

Microsoft is not operating under a government consent decree any longer.

Microsoft using Windows to compete with Dropbox is not inherently illegal. It has absolutely nothing to do with market-share, it has to do with whether the government, on a case-by-case basis, decides that a company's actions caused harm, and it is purely a subjective decision.

Anti-trust law, I'll note, does not specifically or exclusively govern monopolies. The majority of anti-trust cases that have been brought forward by the government have nothing to do with monopolies.

In what instance would Apple be in danger under these laws? Regarding their desktop OS.
Why restrict them to the Desktop OS only? They've been very anticompetitive on the Mobile front.
Ah, yes. I was referring primarily to their desktop operating system because they have nothing close to a monopoly there. In regards to their iOS devices, I can see a case being made but Android still has a much larger market share than iOS.
Bigger thing is how iOS has only one browser that can be default and how other browsers can never be as powerful as Apple's. how is apple getting away with it, despite MS being punished for just installing a browser in their OS. Yeah MS is more of a monopoly in desktops, but Apple monopolizes iOS if we see it that way.
Every company "monopolizes" their own products - the problem for consumers begins when there's only one de facto product in a particular market (e.g. - desktop or smartphone OS). iOS is certainly not in that position in smartphone OS and it can be argued that Windows is no longer as dominant as it was during the antitrust trial.
Because ios isn't 90%+ of a single market is why. It only exists on apple devices.

It really isn't an apples to oranges comparison (no pun intended). It also comes up as a security reason, which it both is and isn't. You're skipping nuances of things here by equivocating a browser install in an os.

Because iCloud doesn't compete with Dropbox. It isn't file storage.
How do any of those companies always get away?
Europe, we're counting on you!
Just did a little research: Anyone who feels competition is being killed can actually let the EU commission know about is so they can correct any problems:

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/consumers/contacts_en.html