[dgempesaw]

Many "women choose not to do it," because of sexist environments composed primarily of men who repeatedly tell them not to be progammers . So, sure, the problem is women choosing not to be programmers, but that's not the underlying cause.

The first-hand experiences of many women in tech, widely available on public blogs, are directly opposed to your second-hand experience of them. Should we take your word for it, or theirs?

[dep_b]

There are probably more blogs about Obama stealing your guns than blogs about women in tech being discriminated, does that mean we are about to enter the Obamacalypse? People blog either about awesome stuff or awful stuff and people behaving normally like expected is nothing to write about.

I fail to see why programmers are of a special fascist pig breed of men that are somehow way more discriminating towards woman than for example lawyers are. Yet there are way more female lawyers out there than programmers.

Modern life is full of hazards for women. I choose to not be one of them but they're everywhere and I'm not denying in any way the impact they can have on women. Yet somehow programmers seem to be able to scare women away where in other areas they don't feel intimidated.

I had a female boss once and a female programmer colleague and I never ever felt a single bit disrespect towards them because of their gender. Should I start a blog about that? "Today I accepted a suggestion about how to refactor my code from my female coworker and it totally felt like the most normal thing in the world".

[dgempesaw]

> Yet there are way more female lawyers out there than programmers.

> Yet somehow programmers seem to be able to scare women away where in other areas they don't feel intimidated.

We're in agreement that it's the programmers who are the problem, and not just "women choosing not to do it," then?

I guess you're trying to attack the validity/veracity/relevance of blog posts in general? That's an interesting discussion to have on its own, but I'm not entirely sure what your first and last paragraphs have to do with the question I posed before:

Women say they are discriminated against, but you haven't seen any of that in your personal experience. That's great, but it's not logically sound to generalize your experience to the entire industry when there's a mountain of evidence to the contrary. So should we believe women who have first hand experience with discrimination, or your second hand account of it?

[dep_b]

Unless you have solid proof that male programmers are more machist than male surgeons, male lawyers or male financial experts, all fields that have seen a major influx of women in the past decades, we are in agreement that that is definitely not the thing that keeps women away from becoming programmers.

I am not saying nothing bad in that respect ever happened to a woman in the tech industry, I am saying that the tech industry is not an example of a hostile place to women that prevents them to be successful or accepted.