[jbri]

To me, it sounds like he's made the classic "vim newbie" mistake of thinking of insert mode as the default, and then switching to normal mode to do anything other than edit text. It's easy to see how that would cause a painful experience.

[lutusp]

> To me, it sounds like he's made the classic "vim newbie" ...

Based on simple probability, the chance is better than 50% that I was using vi before you were born.

[pestaa]

Nice ad hominem. Using vi before any of us was born does not mean you avoided the classic "vim newbie" mistake.

[lutusp]

> Nice ad hominem.

How is calling you young, saying you have your entire life in front of you, an ad hominem? Except possibly to suggest that you have a quota of mistakes you need to go through before you become more efficient at avoiding them?

[heurist]

>saying you have your entire life in front of you

That's not what you said... you said he was too young to know vi/vim better than you. If you haven't used it in 30 years how would you know vim any better than a younger person? Why would age have anything to do with recognizing the benefits and drawbacks of various text editors? My grandparents barely knew how to turn on a computer... they wouldn't try to teach me that notepad is a better text editor than vim. I'm not discounting your experience (you definitely have more than most people here) but your arguments here could be better.

[lutusp]

> ... you said he was too young to know vi/vim better than you.

At this point you have two choices. You can locate where I said that and quote my words directly, or you cam post your apology for making a false claim in this public forum.

To cut to the chase, I never said what you claim, your claim is false.

Ah -- I just figured out why you can't quote my words directly, to discover that I never said what you claim. You're using vim to compose your reply, and vim is so damned inefficient that the task of accurate reporting is consequently entirely beyond your energy or patience.

> If you haven't used it in 30 years how would you know vim any better than a younger person?

False premise, false conclusion. Locate where I said I had never used vi/vim for 30 years.

> Why would age have anything to do with recognizing the benefits and drawbacks of various text editors?

I never made that claim, so I don't have to defend it. Since you have obviously lost track of the thread, the OP used words to the effect that I might be suffering from a neophyte syndrome (not his words). I replied by pointing out that I am hardly a beginner, that in fact I was probably using these editors before he was born. Perfectly apt reply, one having only to do with experience, not age.

> ... your arguments here could be better.

A non sequitur. Ellen Page could also be better looking, even though that's a bit hard to imagine:

http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/ellen_page-wide.jpg

Summary. You need to post real quotes of real words, things people really said. Obviously if you're handicapped by using vi/vim to compose your replies, such trivial actions as copy and paste are -- well, by no means trivial -- so the content of your posts becomes more understandable.

[heurist]

> At this point you have two choices. You can locate where I said that and quote my words directly, or you cam post your apology for making a false claim in this public forum.

You first. You said:

> How is calling you young, saying you have your entire life in front of you, an ad hominem

Your exact words:

> Based on simple probability, the chance is better than 50% that I was using vi before you were born.

Don't be so obtuse.

[michaelmior]

I don't believe he's suggesting that he avoided newbie mistakes, simply that he's already gotten past that stage.