[MrFoof]

>All other things the same, a dual clutch is not much faster than a properly-operated manually-clutched gearbox

Formula One drivers in the early 90s were the only ones really able to come close, with shift times between 150 and 200ms. The average person is more around 300 - 400ms when shifting aggressively. You can be faster than 300 - 400ms, but not with 100% consistency, especially on downshifts, and especially with some transmissions with odd clutch engagement points or shift levers that require more deliberate effort.

A modern DCT, like Porsche's 2nd generation PDK, has a shift time of 150ms. Porsche's 3rd generations are even faster -- the PDK-S in the new GT3 is 100ms. The version in the 918 Spyder is 50ms. All of these are perfectly rev-matched, every time.

I've driven many tremendously good manual transmissions. However, generation two PDK is good enough that after four test drives (two with a 6-speed, two with PDK + Sport Chrono) I've actually decided to order my Cayman S with PDK since it's unquestionably better. The only thing I wish is it had the "burnout/donut mode" of the 3rd gen.

[ecuzzillo]

I should point out that it doesn't matter how long it takes to downshift as long as you're in the right gear by the time you start turning.

[coldpie]

I'm a little surprised. I figure most people buying a Cayman S are buying it for fun. I've never driven with a DCT, but most people who have that I've heard from generally say that manual is more fun, while DCT is better in every other respect.

Did you find DCT to be at least as fun as manual? I think I'd miss the feeling of nailing the revs perfectly on a downshift while braking for a turn on the track.

Any thoughts?

[MrFoof]

People buy Porsches for fun or track duty. Some for both, in which I'm in the latter crowd. I autocross my cars, and do DEs -- my current MX-5 has been on at least 13 different race courses in the country, including some of the very best (Watkins Glen, Mid-Ohio, Road Atlanta, Road America, Infineon, Laguna Seca, Sebring, VIR, Lime Rock). It's also my daily when I need to use a car to commute.

As for the Cayman S, it's a damn serious car. My load out hits 60 in 4.1-4.2s with launch control, and the 1/4 mile in around 12.6-12.7 @ 110mph (and 175mph in ~49 seconds). A set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports will get it to hold around 1.1g of lateral grip (sustained, not peak). You can't go anywhere near its limits on public roads, except in a straight line. If you want sideways fun, there's the MX-5 and BRZ/FR-S for exactly that.

In a more powerful car (trust me, 325HP is still a lot in a 2900lb car!), DCTs give you a nice quick immediate jolt from the power surging in almost immediately. It keeps a wonderful engine note (and boy does a Cayman S with sport exhaust make some noise) uninterrupted and always on boil. Once Porsche changes its PDK shift levers to those like the GT3 (pull to upshift), those who want to think they're in a racing car with a sequential box can. If I could get PDK-S in a Cayman S, I would and would mostly use the shift lever.

I find most detractors of a good DCT haven't driven a car with one. Additionally, not all manuals are great to begin with, which can be frustrating when you're trying to be quick. The MX-5 is ridiculously good for what the car cost. The Type 997 911 had a great 6-speed as well. My Lancer Evolution VIII MR had an extremely heavy clutch, and I'd say the last few BMW M cars have had a heavier clutch than I'd prefer (and dev money was mostly spent on DCTs). Corvette Z06s and Vipers (last drove a third gen/ZB) require a very deliberate use of the shift lever.

[coldpie]

Thanks for the reply :) Hope it's a blast. The Cayman S is my #1 dream car. (I currently drive a Z4 3.0si coupe and take it up to Brainerd International once or twice a year.)

[001sky]

The cayman/s has very high limits that you wont reach on a public road. If you are driving it solely on public roads, the PDK is actually great. Its good in stop and go traffic, making that occasional/daily commute to the office much more pleasant.