[j_baker]

If there's one thing that grinds my gears, it's people who treat engineers as if they were some kind of underclass who have absolutely zero ability to understand customer needs. It's sometimes like engineers solely exist to translate other peoples' ideas into reality.

[jmspring]

Large companies that tend to be PM driven come to mind in this particular scenario. It is not universal, but I've met multiple PMs from a couple of companies that referred to engineers as "the devs" and felt their meetings and schmoozing across teams was the most important thing.