[gexla]

I have found Evil to be the best emulator that I have tried. But even then, I wonder, why try to emulate Vim? Why not just use Vim? And Vim is more than they keys. It's the whole ecosystem of plugins which come together to be the Vim way. There really is no replacement.

[asdasf]

I'm a 15+ year vi user, and I can't stand vim. Everything about it is clunky and cludgy and nothing ever quite works nicely. I really want more features than vi has, but I can't live without vi input. So vi-mode plugins for various editors/IDEs are really my only option.

[jacobparker]

As a vim-but-never-vi user I'm interested in hearing more about what you consider to be clunky/cludgy/not working quite nicely.

[asdasf]

All the extra stuff that makes vim more than just a vi clone. Everything from built in stuff like the auto-completion to plugins like syntastic. Everything technically works, but never nicely and I always end up frustrated with the warts and just go back to plain vi. I should give emacs a shot, I've heard evil is supposed to be a better vi than vim.

[pekk]

Other editors/IDEs you are using with vi-mode plugins also have extra stuff that make them more than just a vi clone, from built in stuff like auto-completion to syntax checking plugins. etc.

[asdasf]

Of course, I want those things, that's the whole reason for trying to switch from vi. I just want those things to actually work smoothly and together, rather than being a mess of plugins that sorta work sometimes but have lots of ugly warts and don't play nicely together,