[ctdonath]

Well, considering it isn't designed as a primary content creation device, not a surprising result (which so many of us have tried despite knowing this).

Next experiment: To consume content primarily on a non-tablet non-phone for a week. (It will fail a comparable way.)

No matter how much you squeeze an apple, no matter how tasty the results, you won't get orange juice.

[_delirium]

> Next experiment: To consume content primarily on a non-tablet non-phone for a week. (It will fail a comparable way.)

Isn't that what most people do? Browsing share of smartphones/tablets is still not very large compared to laptops and desktops. And about 30-40% of the internet-using population in the U.S., at least, doesn't even own a smartphone or tablet.

[ctdonath]

They don't regularly consume content using a desktop/laptop while stuck in traffic, riding an elevator, eating lunch, etc. They don't much use a desktop/laptop to take impromptu pictures, make phone calls, do inventory, etc.

BTW: capturing 30-40% of the internet-using population in just 3.5 years is an amazing achievement.

[qu4z-2]

> riding an elevator

Do people really do this? "Oh, the elevator's going up. Let me watch two minutes of my favourite TV show!"

Maybe I'm just sick of technology, but while I'm having lunch I want to enjoy my lunch, and maybe chat idly with some friends/colleagues.

[ctdonath]

Do people really do this?

Yes, they do. Those few seconds are a great time to sift thru emails ("junk...junk...junk..."), check weather for the next hour while I'm outside (Dark Sky; "aw, man, it's gonna rain in 10 minutes"), watch short videos ("awright, what's this 'You Shall Not Pass' goat video?").

And I take my iPad to lunch to facilitate any interesting, albeit idle, chats ("have you heard of X?" "yeah, look at this" [pulls up webpage]).

Yeah, you're sick of technology. Some of us are addicted to it. Well, a LOT of us.

[phaus]

The convergence of the PC and the tablet is inevitable. The awkward solutions that have been presented thus far are simply prototypes. We will eventually get it right, and when we do, the resulting experience will seem like it should have been the obvious choice from the start.

We already see the value in responsive web design, which is also in it's infancy. Eventually, we will have responsive operating systems, applications, and maybe even hardware.

[ctdonath]

The convergence of the PC and tablets is inevitable.

Far from it. I've been watching major companies try to converge them for 20 years, all to abject failure (tiny niches aside). The iPad succeeded precisely because it avoided "convergence".

[phaus]

It took over a decade to make a decent touch-screen device, because our technological capabilities hadn't yet caught up to our aspirations. Now that we can, m-commerce is the fastest growing segment of e-commerce, which is the fastest growing segment of commerce in general.

Basically, the iPad succeeded because the technology behind it had finally matured, and Apple paid close attention to all of the mistakes that were made over those 20 years.

I may be wrong, but only time will tell for sure. Right now we are still in the phase where companies creating hybrid devices are making a lot of mistakes. I'm betting that someone is eventually going to get it right.

[bryanlarsen]

I would argue that you're both right. The iPad succeeded because what it did, it did well. One major reason it could do things well because it didn't try to do everything.

But because it's successful, there's a big enough market to develop apps and accessories to make it do all the things it wasn't designed to do.

[jjindev]

Apple illustrates a segmentation rather than a convergence. Tablet, notebook, and workstation are breaking into distinct bands of performance. In their world a tablet is for a guy who wants a couple cores (with long battery life), notebooks are for people want a few cores (with moderate battery life) and workstations are for people want lots of cores (the electric bill be damned).

In the PC market there is more overlap, with pretty solid $700 minitowers, but again the minitowers imply you will pay for the electricity and performance with a cost in size and portability.

Long term ... sure maybe a 12 core tablet is possible, but that is really long term IMO.

[phaus]

The device I envision is definitely a long-term prospect. That's why I used the word "eventually."

I'm not saying that a perfect hybrid will exist in the next five, or even ten years. I'm just saying that it will, because it's the obvious direction to go in.

Right now, creating such a device requires a significant amount of compromise, but in the future it may not.

The idea that such a device can't exist because all previous attempts have failed strikes me as short-sighted.

[jiggy2011]

Is there really any need to converge?

Rather than One True Device, it may make more sense to have different devices for different jobs. For example games consoles and e-book readers are devices that sell very well despite limited use cases.

I can see advantages to perhaps having many cross platform libraries to allow developers to reuse application logic across devices.

[sillysaurus]

What's the value in responsive web design to the end user?

[phaus]

I suspect that you're implying that the user doesn't really care about the underlying technology of the site. You're correct, but whether they realize it or not, they are still reaping the benefits.

As an example, responsive design allows small businesses that may not be able to afford to build multiple versions of a website to instead create a single site that provides multiple experiences based on the type of device used to view it. Users win, whether they care about it or not, because they can now use the site on the device of their choosing, without worrying about it being functionally broken.

[eCa]

> Next experiment: To consume content primarily on a non-tablet non-phone for a week. (It will fail a comparable way.)

Why? I broke my Iphone at the end of last year (dropped on floor, no visible damage, severely damaged touch sensor). I didn't repair it until March/April, and used an older regular cellphone. I did quite alright, and found that for me most of my Iphone usage is unnecessary. The old phone handled talking and texting just as it did pre-Iphone.

I did repair before a short holiday. I wanted to use it as a point-and-shoot, a gps tracker and a means to get information from the internet since I went without a computer. Therein is, for me, the greatest use of an Iphone. When I'm home I have no trouble moving from the couch to the computer (yeah, not even a laptop).

[ctdonath]

Uh...that's kinda missing the point of the discussion. Or proving my point exactly, depending on how you squint at it.

TFA lamented a tablet's shortcomings when used as a "computer": direct file manipulation, rapid voluminous text input, instant viewing of bulky data, vast local storage, raw CPU power, etc. My counter-challenge/observation as intended was that using a non-tablet (a "phone" in context being little different from a tiny tablet) would not perform particularly well at doing what a "mobile device" excels at: right-here right-now anytime anywhere calling, texting, emailing, photography, GPS, location-critical web-surfing, etc.

You proved my point by not even coming close to suggesting doing "real work" with a phone (no matter its IQ), other than to transition to a complementary (and decidedly stationary) computer when mobility-related capabilities are not needed.

The take-away from all this is there isn't a convergence point.

[vacri]

right-here right-now anytime anywhere calling, texting, emailing, photography, GPS, location-critical web-surfing

This is not "consuming content". I consume content just fine on my desktops. Obviously I can't do GPS-based work while mobile on them, but GPS-based work is but a fraction of 'consuming content'. Indeed, I find it much easier to read emails on a big screen than to have a small window where I can only see part of it, and similarly there are plenty of websites that suck on mobile. 'Consuming content' is far from a victory won by mobile.

Edit: Also, games. Games on mobile are a wasteland of drek, for the most part. And you can't get much more of a consumer-oriented industry than games.