[bzbarsky]

> and that I was to never say anything about the company > in public.

This remains the case to a large extent. This makes working with Apple and Microsoft in standards groups a bit challenging at times, since they won't actually comment on whether they're even thinking about implementing a standard, or whether they would be willing to implement it as written, until they suddenly ship it.

And if they're _not_ shipping it you have no way to tell whether that's because they never will because of some fundamental issue they perceive or whether they're basically fine with the idea bu just haven't gotten around to finding resources to implement yet.

[othermaciej]

In the case of Web standards in particular, you can usually see the checkins in our public source tree well before we ship it. But per policy we will rarely publicly commit to shipping something or not ahead of time.

[bzbarsky]

Historically, the story with visibility on checkins to iOS Safari was not that great.

But yes, for desktop Safari usually one can get some idea by scouring checkin logs.

[CoolGuySteve]

Agreed. Apple's involvement with BluRay in particular was pretty hilarious.