[spamizbad]

Eh I'd say its a mixed bag today. I've run into startups that still grind their programmers into pulp trying to crank out product. And I've seen the opposite - where the engineering culture will veto genuinely good business opportunities because they're not up to the engineering challenge.

[greghinch]

And, you know, the ones in the middle that are actually successful because they have people who know how to balance both.