[zpk]

I sat there point by point with articles on why this would lead to lower wages, startup or body shop or google, and you come back with 4 lines. I'm not going to defend my points again until I see some actual evidence to refute my position.

Can you give me the citation where "there are companies like Google which don't hire foreign workers for the sake of underpaying them"

Can you show me just one article where the H1b's are above a prevailing wage? Or that is the actualy truth?

[SamReidHughes]

An article? How about personal experience? I've worked with H1B's and seen the decision-making they had when switching jobs. They are not chained to their employer, they're high quality employees, and when changing jobs they can choose between competing offers. How would a lower-than-market salary exist in such conditions?

Why would I link to an article. In what, a newspaper? Is that supposed to be taken seriously? Like the article you linked with their joke chart bracketing all H1B's at all levels of age and experience in a comparison with all native workers at all levels of experience?

You literally linked to TechCrunch and a blogspam. And expect people to take you seriously.

And a prevailing wage in what, exactly? In the set of good software developers? In the set of all software developers? In the set of everybody working in "IT"? Your demands aren't even well-specified.

And if they were well-specified, would you have a convincing argument? No. Because it's not a problem that the foreign workers arrive in the same distribution of skill level that existing workers have. Only if you're selfish would you see that as a bad thing.

[zpk]

Personal experience...while I am sure you felt this way it has no legs in this argument. I can provide mine and other anecdotal evidence on the contrary.

Whether a person can leave the job or not with their visa still doesn't address the overall premise that visas suppress wage growth.

At the very minimum these articles site a study, and there are more than 1.

And what about NPR? You should read that, and put your bias aside.

What you think and feel I am sure is valid, but has little value in the context of the overall immigration problem and argument.

I still don't see how you know Google pays above or at market rate.