[mpyne]

I read this on my phone last night and was convinced it would have already been submitted to HN by the time I got to work. Sad to say I was wrong, but I'm glad someone mentioned it.

Here we have another win for tptacek in the "common sense and reason" column.

[cobrausn]

Not completely. He was quick to link alternate explanations that made equally little sense but didn't make it the result of NSA data mining - such as a picture of fireworks posted on facebook causing it all, despite the fact they showed up asking about pressure cookers. He was fighting a wave of people who were 100% certain it was the NSA, but still...

'Common Sense and Reason' belongs only to those who read the story and waited to hear more before posting. But I'm biased. :-D

[tptacek]

Huh? I linked to Declan McCullagh's alternate (and more plausible) possibility. Nobody, including McCullagh, claimed to know for sure that that alternative was what happened. It's telling that you'd continue to make that argument --- noting that I was "quick to link to it" --- despite repeated clarifications from both me and McCullagh about the point of the link.

[cobrausn]

It was only more plausible if you believe they would see fireworks on facebook and show up asking about pressure cookers.

The fact was something in between, of course, it was computer searches but they weren't passed on from the NSA to some JTTF agents.

[tptacek]

You mischaracterized my post. I've corrected you. The rest of the argument isn't interesting to me.

[cobrausn]

I corrected your assertion of 'more plausible'. Feel free to carry on, we're splitting some fairly meaningless hairs.

[tptacek]

The difference between your correction and mine is that yours is a matter of opinion and mine one of fact; I did not, in fact, post the Facebook page story because I was certain it was correct, nor did its author write it because he thought it was correct.

The difference isn't meaningless; it's useful to spotlight point-scoring goalpost-moving when it occurs.

[mpyne]

Well that's the point, there were many alternative explanations of at least as much sense (however little sense they actually made) but people fixated on the one alternative explanation that conformed to their worldview.

I also didn't comment on the thread as I didn't know what exactly was going on. But I was very sure that it would be something along the lines of what tptacek himself predicted so why say anything anyways? I just upvoted and moved on.