[swannodette]

This is the kind of talk from Haskell folks that I find incredibly annoying. Where's Haskell's Squeak? Where's Haskell's Lisp Machine? It doesn't take much poking around to find out that non-trivial interactive programming like sophisticated games and user interfaces is still cutting very edge stuff.

Gimme a break.

[pestaa]

I'm sorry, but you're upset because folks are passionate about a language that brings new perspective, and maybe is not exactly as useful in some areas as existing solutions? This is exactly the kind of attachment Bret warns about.

[swannodette]

I don't think I expressed attachment to any particular solution or approach - I simply pointed out an extremely large aspect of modern software engineering where Haskell's supposed benefits aren't all that clear. So who's attached?

[nazgulnarsil]

This strikes me as being mad the Tesla doesn't compete in F1.

[munificent]

Are you trying to compare interactive software, one of the dominant forms of programs and widely used by billions of people every day, to formula 1 cars, an engineering niche created solely for a set of artificial racing criteria?

A better analogy would be being mad that the Tesla can't drive on the interstate.

[nazgulnarsil]

"sophisticated games" pretty specifically implies contemporary 3d gaming, which is not a useful criteria for exploring a fundamental paradigm shift in programming.

[asdasf]

The fact that you think a lisp machine is an "extremely large aspect of modern software engineering" certainly makes me feel that you are expressing an attachment to a particular approach.

[jhickner]

I'm not saying it's all there yet, just that it's a way forward.