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by CleanedStar 4712 days ago
> It is little surprise then that Western liberals no longer breed above replacement rates. Denigrating motherhood is not the way for a people to last the aeons of time. I believe the future of the West is profoundly more conservative than the present, because Darwin. Liberalism is a suicidal ideology.

It doesn't really work like that. India has over 1 billion people, and I'm sure "traditional" lower caste women there "breed above replacement rates" as you put it.

On the other side you might have an upper middle class, white, historically mainline Protestant couple living in the US. Both have a sibling, both have advanced degrees, both have parents who went to college. Their families have slowly been acquiring wealth for generations. The couple will have two "replacement rate" kids.

On the other hand, the lower caste Indian woman has more than one child die in infancy. The family does not always have enough food to eat every day.

Yet in your mind, the Indian family is a winner because of "Darwin", because the western liberals have a "suicidal ideology". But who would doubt the upper middle class American son would not want to trade places with the Indian kid, and there's a much more significant chance that the Indian kid would trade places with the white kid.

You seem to see some "contempt" and a "misogynist" tone in the parent which I do not. You're advocating a way of life and morality and such that belongs to history, and to rural farmers in that history. The US is losing its industrial jobs never mind its agricultural jobs. Traditional life in the US is Michael Moore's "Roger & Me" vision of 1950s blue collar unionized industrial workers driving their cars back to the suburbs. A way of life going away with Detroit's bankruptcy. Your vision of women only raising kids, and more than two as you say, is not traditional, it's almost ancient tradition. It's like, Pennsylvania farmers circa late 17th century. The Amish and Mennonites in Pennyslvania live like you're talking. But most of America considers it rather antiquated.

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It does not matter who is happier or have better life - middle class family in US or low-cast family in India. Sad fact is that ALL western societies are below replacement level. White US population is on decline (and it's not steep only because of conservative rural population). Depopulation is a bitch and nature hates void. Two kids are not replacement level - you need 2.33 kids on average.

Fertility rate for white female with college degree (liberal dream) is 1.6 in US. What it means? It means that it takes only 10 generations (180-250 years) to go from 150 million species to 15 million (10x reduction). That means that current model of liberal society just does not work from evolutional perspective. Being educated white female is a negative trait from evolutionary perspective.

I am saying this as somebody who has highly educated girlfriend and who is very unlikely to have more than two kids (one reason being that it takes 200k to send one kid to college).

There is no such thing as a liberalism gene. Cultural evolution plays a much larger part in the development of human society than traditional biological evolution does. "Caucasians", insofar as that term has any scientific basis in fact, might be on the decline. Liberal society is not.
It's only true if conservative=>liberal conversion continues in future which is not necessarily true. Currently liberal societies generally outperform conservative ones but historically it was often not the case.

Just look at Siege of Baghdad by mongolian hordes or depopulation and fall of Roman Empire.

This graph[1] is the number of children of white Americans age 44-55 by political leaning in the 2000-2010 GSS survey, which seems to suggest that there is a pattern of liberals breeding themselves into extinction. This graph[2] is the same thing over time.

[1] http://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/tfr-us-by-lib-con...

[2] http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/07/12/whos-having-the-babi...

Don't you get it, this is our way of keeping the wealth to fewer and fewe people. That 1% will be turned into .5% soon, and we will all be twice as rich.