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LMAO. No such thing is happening, the web isn't losing anything nor does the rise of apps on mobile threaten the web.

> the reality is that proprietary application platforms are taking over the application market

That doesn't even make sense as proprietary application platforms have always owned the application market.

> No such thing is happening ...

You're asserting that there hasn't been a significant management and hiring shift in engineering departments over the past 5 years, moving away from what became a web monoculture in the post-90s environment, from roughly 2000-2005?

> That doesn't even make sense as proprietary application platforms have always owned the application market.

So you admit the web is ill-suited to serve as an application platform, and is failing to acquire traction in that space despite considerable but ill-focused efforts to the contrary?

You can't even stay on topic without constantly moving the goalpost.

> You're asserting that there hasn't been a significant management and hiring shift in engineering departments over the past 5 years, moving away from what became a web monoculture in the post-90s environment, from roughly 2000-2005?

I asserted no such thing, learn to read.

> So you admit the web is ill-suited to serve as an application platform, and is failing to acquire traction in that space despite considerable but ill-focused efforts to the contrary?

I admit? What kind of stupid opening is that? Show me where I said anything about the web serving as a great application platform over native apps.

You know what, never mind; you're an argumentative ill tempered child who doesn't know how to have a discussion properly. Have a nice day.

> You know what, never mind; you're an argumentative ill tempered child who doesn't know how to have a discussion properly. Have a nice day.

One of us has stuck to discussing the topic, the other, discussing the person. Good day.

marshray 4716 days ago

You're joking, right?

He's not; he thinks he's being insightful.

What's your excuse?

Mobile is growing hand-over-fist and web apps developers are still arguing about whether they're fast enough to compete, and whether we could possibly maybe actually move past HTML/CSS/JS sometime in this decade.

It's ridiculous, and you claim it's "reality". Fine, your reality sucks, and there's no inherent reason why it has to win ... and it might not.

There's only one reality, that's rather the point of the word. Web app developers and mobile app developers are different fields, they aren't competing. The web is and will likely remain HTML/CSS/JS because it works: EVERYWHERE, and it doesn't look like that'll be changing anytime soon.

slacka 4716 days ago

If you think Web apps work everywhere, you've obviously never written one. The feature gap and performance gap between browsers is still massive. My company has shifted its focus from web apps to mobile apps. Because of the failings of HTML5, we can deliver a better experience with native apps.

Learn to read, I said the web, not web apps and as I've been doing web development full stack for over a decade it's obvious that you are a terrible judge of who you're talking to. Web apps and mobile apps serve different market segments, your company is confused in thinking it's an either/or proposition, they both have their place and neither will be going away or displacing the other.

No. As someone intimately involved in startup hiring, there's been a massive shift in the make-up of technology organizations.

Mobile has gone from a side-show farmed out to consulting organizations to a mainstream in-house development effort, and the organizations themselves have shifted management and priorities accordingly.

It used to be that almost everyone had a web engineering organization in-house, even non-technology companies. That is changing. Companies like the NYTimes have gone from being grossly unable to manage mobile efforts and farming their work out to subpar contractors, to straight-up building a top-quality team of mobile developers.

Here's the tricky thing about that, too. Those developers, by the nature of where they work in the technology stack, are already quite versatile, and can choose technology solutions outside of the web stack. The problem that most organizations faced originally was that their web departments were a mono-culture and couldn't adapt.

So now you have companies that can and are building technology outside the web, and that means that the network effects that existed before are being torn down. The web tried to leap onto the application bandwagon, and the web failed. Now other technologies are taking over that space.

marshray 4716 days ago

I've been developing for proprietary and web platforms for a long time too. I really don't see that the rise of mobile is in any way coming at the expense of the web.

Who are these development organizations who truly enjoy maintaining five different apps for all the major desktop and mobile platforms and who are aren't going to make the jump as soon as HTML5 delivers everything they need?

Obviously there will always be applications (antivirus, encryption, etc.) for which a browser is poorly suited. But this percentage will never be bigger than it is today.

> ... who are aren't going to make the jump as soon as HTML5 delivers everything they need?

When will that be, exactly? The promise has been a long time coming, and in the meantime, the constitution of the industry is shifting away from a web myopia.

marshray 4716 days ago

> When will that be, exactly?

Next Thursday, 7:39 PM PDT time. Go outside and look at the sky.

> The promise has been a long time coming,

Indeed.

> and in the meantime, the constitution of the industry is shifting away from a web myopia.

I'm sure there are individual companies that fit that description, but I don't see it from where I sit. Here's an example of one of the classic big native platform apps doing stuff on the web. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/