[mistermann]

Same with smoking. If someone sees a pregnant woman smoking, they lose their mind. I don't know the stats, but I know a lot of people walking around today were born to smoking mothers. Prior to 1980 or so, whenever the media campaign began, massive numbers of people smoked, including pregnant women who didn't know any better.

[DanBC]

tobacco use and alcohol use are very different. We don't know if there's a safe level of alcohol, and we do know that it varies between different women.

We do know that any level of tobacco use is harmful to the mother and harmful to the child.

Please don't conflate the two.

> Prior to 1980 or so, whenever the media campaign began, massive numbers of people smoked, including pregnant women who didn't know any better.

You're ignoring all the people who were harmed by those smoking parents.

[mistermann]

> We do know that any level of tobacco use is harmful to the mother and harmful to the child.

Every child born to a smoking mother is "harmed"? Depends on the definition of "harmed" I suppose.