| No offense, but I think you're mistaken. 1) "journald was enabled in Fedora very recently" systemd includes journald (and - as the thread that this whole discussion is about explains - journald is really a ~hard~ dependency for systemd: That's where early boot messages go, for example). Systemd is in Fedora for quite some time already [1]. 2) "Now systemd's syslog compat is seen as unnecessary overhead" NO! Not at all! That's going to stay, that's not even mentioned anywhere in this discussion. Really, the thread even talks about improved integration between journald and for example rsyslogd (the latter moved from the simple 'receive log messages from journald' interface to the 'let me ask journald for messages and import them as good as I can' it seems).
No one, certainly not in that thread, wants to remove the syslog compatibility. The discussion is just about _not_ installing a syslog daemon by default. It's still supported, the compatibility (from systemd/journald) is there and going to stay. You just don't run a syslog daemon without installing it explicitly. 3) The trend, what you perceive about the slippery slope of things This is hard to argue about. There are no hard facts to prove/reject. You don't seem to like a number of recent changes in the linux ecosystem. That's - okay. Natural. But I still think that you should take a step back and reconsider your opinion on the developers' goals: Are they really trying to 'attack' stuff or are they offering something they genuinely consider superior? Are they single-handedly changing the stuff around you, or are boards/committees convinced that these ideas are worth pursuing? 1: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd#What_is_the_status_of... |
Conceded.
> 2) "Now systemd's syslog compat is seen as unnecessary overhead"
I can't believe rsyslog compat won't suffer, well-meaning reassurances from a third-party can't trump the documented attitudes of core developers who aren't bound by them.
> 3) The trend, what you perceive about the slippery slope of things
I've illustrated a lot, I could easily find more.
I do in fact believe Lennart et al are developing and promoting a system (distinct from the Linux ecosystem) that they consider genuinely superior. It's what being an open-source developer is all about. It doesn't mean they aren't engaging in some ends-justifies-the-means politicking on the way to world domination. I'm fed up with the latter, and with having the bad forced with the good.