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by coldtea 4722 days ago
I like some of Jeremy Ashkenas work (in fact I use some of it daily), but he has jumped the shark with this one.

Another bad sign is that he also removed lo-dash (a better underscore.js clone, that fixes several issues, is faster, passes all the same tests AND also strives to support Backbone.js) from the backbone docs.
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jashkenas 4722 days ago
To try and nip this particular thread in the bud -- I think that forks in general, and Lodash in particular, are great. As CoffeeScript has Coco, Redux, Kaffeine, and LiveScript; as Backbone has Spine; Underscore has Lodash. They're fertile ground for exploring different approaches.

My problem isn't with the Lodash project, just with the unfortunate fact that the maintainer has had some incredibly toxic behavior with respect to cooperating around open-source. Without getting into details, as soon as he's ready to collaborate in a pleasant and productive fashion, he's welcome to have his commit access back to Underscore, and merge in whatever he likes.

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jdd 4720 days ago
Hi, creator of Lo-Dash here. Jeremy's comments are off base. I've gladly contributed to Underscore and am responsible for many of the fixes/features in the last few releases. I voluntarily revoked my commit rights to Underscore, without prompting, several months ago because it was awkward trying to move Underscore in a better direction while trying to work with Jeremy, who seemed distracted, lacking the patience to grok issues/comments, often losing his temper in issue/commit comments or trashing me on Twitter/HN. I'd still be contributing via bug reports and feedback if he hadn't recently blocked me.

It's unfortunate he's chosen to spread FUD instead of going head to head on features, compat, perf, dev needs/concerns, or any other relevant area of project comparison :/

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coldtea 4722 days ago
Thanks. Didn't knew the backstory -- just read the related issues/commit messages were there's no mention of any of this.

Had I known, I wouldn't say that. Perhaps an open statement from you regarding the issue would help (this HN thread will be lost to the depths of the intertubes after a few days, and it doesn't give more details of what transpired).

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