[ukoto]

Just like Chik-fil-A boycott? Oh wait they've seen record profits lately. Perhaps it's because the silent majority of people are sick of gay culture? Fortunately I live in Russia where we've recently and unanimously passed several bills defending traditional marriage.[1] I would much rather my child read an anti-gay author than a gay one, and Ender's Game is a classic that I will surely pass on after I have a real marriage. A real marriage is consummated, which is defined by intercourse, which is defined by penis in vagina, which same-sex couples cannot do. The point of marriage is to have kids and build a strong family. But homosexuals would rather change the definition of a word to win the argument (moving the goal posts). In America, marriage will die off since it will become a meaningless government contract.

[1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russias-duma-...

[JoeAltmaier]

That rant is so tired, so inconsistent, so laced with hate-speech, its become wearisome to respond to its ilk. Let me just say, lots of older couples, infertile couples, 'normal' couples get married never intending to have children, even in your own religion, that that fundamental argument is silly.

Why do you keep making it? You come off sounding desperate, defensive, selfish. You make sex sound mechanical, impersonal. I cannot imagine what kind of marriage you are describing, but it is not a marriage of joy and commitment.

[mercurial]

No need to feed the troll.

[JoeAltmaier]

Sorry.

[ukoto]

laced with hate-speech

This is like the made up term "homophobia". Just because I disagree with you and use my free speech to do so, does not give you the right to assume my opinions are coming from negative attributes. On the contrary, I care deeply about the future for my children.

lots of older couples, infertile couples, 'normal' couples get married

And they certainly can get married and consummate. It's unfortunate they won't be able to have children but perhaps they can adopt. I do not think same-sex couples should adopt, because this kind of terrible things happen[1].

Why do you keep making it?

This is the first time I've posted about gay marriage on HN.

I cannot imagine what kind of marriage you are describing, but it is not a marriage of joy and commitment.

Any parent will tell you: children are the greatest joy and a huge commitment. That is exactly what I'm describing.

[1] http://rt.com/news/pedophile-syndicate-russian-boy-481/

[laumars]

>* Just because I disagree with you and use my free speech to do so, does not give you the right to assume my opinions are coming from negative attributes.*

Free speech is a responsibility - not a right to say dumb things just because you can.

[whiddershins]

Actually, yes, free speech includes the right to say dumb things just because you can. The responsibility is entirely optional. Otherwise it wouldn't be free speech. It would be called "responsible speech."

[laumars]

> Actually, yes, free speech includes the right to say dumb things just because you can. The responsibility is entirely optional. Otherwise it wouldn't be free speech. It would be called "responsible speech."

Actually no. There's defamation laws and such like that trump free speech.

People need to learn that free speech isn't an excuse for trolls and bigots to post unfounded and hateful remarks. "Free speech" doesn't mean "free pass to act like a dick and intentionally piss of whole subsections of society". Which is why I refer to it as a responsibility; as with all great power comes great responsibility.

[whiddershins]

No, defamation laws "and such" are extremely limited in scope, for a reason. None of them stops people from "saying dumb things." It specifically DOES allow, protect, end entitle someone to "act like a dick and intentionally piss off whole subsections of society." There could be no discourse otherwise.

You may be confusing United States law with many European nations, which have very different interpretations of speech rights. For example, in Germany it is illegal to advocate for NeoNazism. In the United States, it is perfectly legal, even though it fits all of your "disallowed" criteria.

[pron]

The point of marriage is to have kids and build a strong family

What are you, a Russian peasant? Did you grow up in a Kolkhoz? In a small village in Siberia? Is that a joke? "Yes, we Russians want good, strong, healthy family. We like our women with strong child-bearing hips". I hope the readers here don't get the impression that you represent Russian culture, so just to make things clear: just like in America, these views are more representative of Russian hillbilly rednecks. Russia has given us some of the most subversive, interesting, anti-bourgeois minds in all of Western culture.

[beedogs]

Pathetic that these kinds of accounts are showing up even on HN.

[ukoto]

Are you living in a cave? The opinions that I am espousing are fully supported by huge modern nations such as Russia. I just gave you a link showing the government's unanimous support of bills banning gay propaganda. So why do you assume I'm a troll? Does it shatter your fragile world view to realize many intelligent and sane individuals are against gay marriage, so you have to imagine me as a joke?

That's what this whole news story is about. A dignified and successful author is against homosexuality, and the progressive community can't handle any opposition to their views so they tar and feather their reputation. So much for tolerating other viewpoints...

[ckozlowski]

"Tolerance" is being thrown around as though yours and OSC's arguments are equal, on the same lines as Apple vs. Android or Chocolate vs. Vanilla.

On one side lies liberty and civil rights, and the other is for disenfranchising people. It's a slanted argument. You're accusing one group of people of being inferior and immoral. It's a dig against other human beings, an assertion that some aren't as deserving.

One can debate methods or policy as to which is more effective, or whether or not designated hitters should be allowed in baseball. It's another thing entirely to assert that a whole range of people are unworthy of the same rights as others. Regardless of whether you or I prefer we live our lives in a different way, doesn't imply that somehow we should trample the liberties of others.

"Intelligent and sane" individuals don't tolerate segregation, racism, or the persecution of others based on their orientation. That your puppet legislature miraculously cast a unanimous vote for continued repression while all other governments across the world continue to roll back this anachronism speaks much for the state of "modern" Russia.

[beedogs]

I do not tolerate hatred, or the opinions of those who are hateful. The discussion ends here.

[ckozlowski]

Offered reading:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/907...

[dwb]

Naturally you'd be against hetrosexual marriages where at least one person is infertile then, or where they don't want to have children.

There has never been a single universal definition of marriage.