[sanukcm]

> Is the idea that our democracies could eventually fix this situation really beyond all hope?

Of course not. We should vote these creeps out of office and elect someone that really stands for privacy and civil liberties - like this promising young man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fnfVJzZT4

[mr_spothawk]

"The FISA court works. The separation of powers works."

'works' for who, buddy?