[EliAndrewC]

I'm aware that many people don't use ORMs and feel they cause more problems than they solve. However, I'm struggling to think of a popular web framework in any language that doesn't include or suggest a specific ORM.

So out of curiosity, when you do web development, do you use an ORM-less framework, or do you simply not use the ORM that's included/recommended?

[wheaties]

Unfiltered of Scalable does not thankfully ship with one.

Flask of Python does not ship with one.

Want more?

[arnorhs]

As a random example, most node.js frameworks don't ship with one. Including the most popular one, Express.