[kshatrea]

Let us take some normal examples of services that exist. Let us say I own the home I live in for purposes of non-ambiguity. Would you say I own the water on my property? If I don't have water, would you be okay if I never paid taxes but paid for the water? Would you be okay if I never paid taxes but paid for the roads usage each time I used it? Or on a monthly basis? A thought experiment begins with the basic fact that you and I live in a society where certain things must be done, like paying taxes. If I refuse to pay, as oleganza says, will you come to an alternate arrangement with me? Or will you put me in jail?

In short, is my personal liberty a right? Or is it subject to the privilege of my citizenship?

[oleganza]

Note: anyone who comes with "privilege of citizenship" argument (or "property rights are only defined within a government") already uses some moral theory. So it's better to ask for explanation what this theory means in reality. E.g. if some group of people vote 51% vs 49%, they can do whatever they want? Or are there "absolute rights"? So now the person who advocates the government must prove all this stuff, or shut the fuck up.