[onli]

> And who claimed it hasn't? I didn't.

You did, in a way, with

> No, it was being collected, until the Bundesverfassungsgericht put a stop to that

Have a look at http://www.datenschmutz.de/moin/TK-Verkehrsdaten as to which data are currently saved and for how long, keep in mind that the mentioned numbers are old (but realize that collected Bestandsdaten includes data from people with flatrate, which would never be necessary for billing purposes).

[PavlovsCat]

Have a look at http://www.datenschmutz.de/moin/TK-Verkehrsdaten

"Unter dem Stichwort Vorratsdatenspeicherung werden solche Daten speziell für Repressionszwecke gespeichert. Sie ist derzeit ausgesetzt, die Verkehrsdatenabfrage als solche bleibt aber in Kraft."

The data detention is "currently suspended" according to your own link... sigh.

You did not address the distinction between the police/intelligence agencies having access to the data providers collect and keep, unfortunately but mostly voluntarily -- and the EU data detention directive, which Germany only implemented for a short while and is now in gridlock about, and which would force the providers to keep that stuff around, wether they want to or not.

I mean, if it's all the same, what is the fuss about? You did not answer that. Just because it is still bad, doesn't mean it's all the same, and that accepting and implementing the EU directive would make no difference.

[onli]

Please, read again what I wrote two comments above. I specifically adressed the difference.

[PavlovsCat]

Oops, you're right. Then let's agree to agree on the facts, and sorry for being obtuse. I had the impression you were belittling the fact that Germany is in violation of the EU directive, but that doesn't really follow from what you said, I read that into it.. probably because of "everybody is doing it (what the NSA does)" comments I read occasionally around here, and a general jadedness around the issue. Thanks for your patience ^^

Yes, it it's not great as it is, but it would be worse when the EU directive is actually followed, from what I can tell, and I wanted to stress that.