[embolism]

I'm pointing out that espionage is a part of real world statecraft and that it's naïve to just rail against the NSA for doing it.

I do believe that there should be consequences for a lot of these actions. I'd just rather people were discussing what we actually know and how things could realistically be improved (by individuals, corporations, and'the government) than just jeering like an angry mob.

[PavlovsCat]

You asked for evidence, I gave you evidence.

I'm not sure what you mean by "real world statecraft", but when I hear that I have to think of Larkin's "This Be The Verse":

fools in old-style hats and coats, / Who half the time were soppy-stern / And half at one another's throats.

[embolism]

you don't seem very constructive - which is my point

[PavlovsCat]

By giving you the evidence you asked for? Or by also making points you don't like?

Feel free to respond to either, but spare me transparent excuses for not doing so and how that is somehow my fault.

[embolism]

You didn't make a point - you just expressed an attitude.