[Helpful_Bunny]

You're all part of the show[1]. (Would You Kindly Remember Which Tech Teams Ran the Obama Campaign? And their connection to Reddit?)

You have no idea how predatory you need to be to face Power down, and a sponsored Face Book / Reddit protest is not your friend. $100k donations - to whom? People forging careers in Social Media Shaping (or as us old timers like to call it, propaganda[2]) and so on?

This is a serious warning (and I fully expect a ban, or "down votes" for this, given the political alignment of HN): you need to be hard, sharp, fast, ruthless and enjoy blood sports to get into this game.

I suspect most of you are not: and the people "running" this campaign via Reddit / Face Book are really not your friends[3].

And since we are living in a time where a Face Book "threat" from a teenager can get you prison time, I'll merely give you a quotation from a science FICTION novel (not even a real political theorist, they're dangerous / now under the "banned" list in America):

"The personal, as everyone’s so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, take it personally. Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here – it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft-. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide from under it with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it personal. Do as much damage as you can. Get your message across. That way, you stand a better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous. And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous marks the difference - the only difference in their eyes - between players and little people. Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate. And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it’s just business, it’s politics, it’s the way of the world, it’s a tough life and that it’s nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it personal.” ~ Altered Carbon, Richard Morgan.

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQEDojPZ7YI [2]http://www.propagandatheory.com/history-of-propaganda/french... [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4pIXQvxMeA&list=PLA62577633...

[bendoernberg]

I'm co-organizing the NYC group, and I've been on the national conference calls for the past few days. Can't speak for others, but I'd be happy to sit down with you or anyone else and talk about what we're doing, what the goals are, and assure you that I'm not a shadowy social media shaper.

[Helpful_Bunny]

If you're operating in NYC, what is your strategy visa vie NYPD and the $150,000,000 Wall St. TIA system in place[1] [and no, don't attempt to discredit the source, I simply will not post the sensitive documents / location pictures on HN of all places]

Do you have a permit?

Are you aware of the surveillance you'll be under, and have you informed all participants that they will be logged into a surveillance system?

Are you aware that all of your correspondence has already been logged, monitored and Gold / Silver / Bronze Police teams are now running models to negate your impact? [run a search on the papers if you need to understand how modern policing works, the USA is a bit tight-arsed about it, look for the EU white papers, they're much more accessible without being illegal]

Are you aware that traffic and city wide electronic signals will be modified throughout your "march" to control flows?

And so on. If the answer to any of these is "no", then you need to Wise The Fuck Up.

Predators don't play nice.

There's a reason they get to be on balconies with champagne laughing at you, and it isn't "luck". It's called home-game-advantage and owning-the-Power-Structures.

If you're unaware of any of this, you're dog-food. And the Police certainly are the dogs here.

Bottom line: No one important gives a FUCK about your 4th amendment rights. And that's just the truth of it. [Hint: MLK, see what happened to him, and that was a long time ago, "bro"]

[1]http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/06/wall-streets-secret-s...

[antoko]

You know its just a peaceful protest to show support for the 4th amendment, right? Its not a call for armed insurrection. I think you need to Chill the fuck out.

[Helpful_Bunny]

antoko, sorry, I can't reply to you.

The answer to that is, of course: that is why you'll fail, that is why they'll ignore you, and that is why this is all a joke.

Thanks for making the point so clear.

Might want to study history, dear, and learn just how hard-core "the people" had to be to gain any kind of Power. The fact you think that Power respects your protest is why you won't ever be a "player".

Have fun on your little protest, I'm sure you know what you're doing. (Which is precisely: nothing). And, here's a tip: you might want to listen when a predator tells you why you're going to fail, they might have some experience you don't. Ask the Egyptians, if you think that was a popular revolt, you need some serious edumacation [hint: IMF / Egyptian Military / Economics, do some research already. The World is not a nice place, and it doesn't respect people who don't know the Rules]

I'm out, trix are for kidz.

[Helpful_Bunny]

And... this is the second thread where the "down vote" ability has been abused. A user (with enough "karma" to allow them multiple negative "down votes" has nuked my content, and not bothered to respond to any of it). Hmm, and I naively imagined HN was "moderated" (spoiler: it is, just not how you think it is, and no, I'm really not that naive to imagine a scaled populist voting system isn't gamed to the max - we did this in voting polls in the 1950's).

Now, you might have noticed I'm not naive, but it does show one thing: Whoever is using their "precious HN karma" to down vote my comments, without ever bothering to argue with them, proves the model doesn't work. [It was logged - the same user mass-spammed the "down vote" on all of my posts in this thread within 72 seconds, much like they did in the last one]

Predators: you're being run by autistic ((blinkered)) agents who don't even realize the #1 rule of Agitprop: The Streisand effect[1].

Hint: this reaction was priced into the effort to reply to HN. As a predator, if I got the reaction, it was a trigger to say: "Prey". If you ain't seeing the obvious yet, you ain't playing the Game. [And, no doubt - I'd imagine that within X hours my account will be unable to post, either through "negative karma" or "hell banning". While you can read it, work out the politics of it].

Be Seeing You. (Amateurs). And seriously: if your ability to run Propaganda is limited to a "down vote" button, you're not in the running. But, feel free: KONY2012! You might recognize this model from other parts of the web. (And yes: We See You Down Voting).

Bottom line: if you're "down voting" my content, you're either a mark or an extremely naive bottom rung player. Enjoy working out which one you are. Top tip: the real players don't give a flying fuck if you know what they're doing, they just don't care, as long as you can't provide evidence of individual crimes. You. Just. Do. Not. Matter. To. The. Higher. Meat. Eaters. Fucking deal with it. (Down Vote if you think you do!!11!11! Please, I need +1 likes on Face Book!!).

Be Seeing You. Rule #1: Life is cheap - the myth of America is that 300,000,000 of you are precious. Spoiler: 295,000,000 of you ain't. Cry me a fucking river, you're food. (And if you think that's harsh, look around a little. Sorry, it's true.)

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

[DanBC]

> And... this is the second thread where the "down vote" ability has been abused. A user (with enough "karma" to allow them multiple negative "down votes" has nuked my content, and not bothered to respond to any of it)

It's hard to respond to semi-coherent ranting.

You're mistaken about downvotes. People have a single downvote. If you're seeing multiple downvotes that means multiple people are downvoting you. If people are downvoting you that's because they think your comments don't belong here. You can try saying "The downvotes prove me right" but you should be aware that that line is used by wingnuts.

[tehwebguy]

This place is great for coherent discussion, nearly all ideas are "allowed" here when argued well but hostility is not.

[Helpful_Bunny]

The first two comments I made were "down voted" within seconds.

Your argument is invalid.

p.s. Today's analysis of the "protests" and even the flaccid NSA "approval" of them on their website shows you exactly where this movement came from. Spoiler: I told you that HN / Reddit were far more gamma- than Advanced Publications let on, didn't I?