[phaus]

I've taken quite enough art and art history classes. At one time, I was planning on attending art school. I had a modest amount of talent, but not nearly enough money.

I've also been to art museums both in the United States and in Europe. Modern art is, for the most part, a sham.

When speaking about art, it's always going to be a matter of opinion. I don't share yours, and you don't share mine. That doesn't make me ignorant or ill-educated.

In my opinion, it's a goddamn shame that people like John Singer-Sargent are relatively unknown while idiots are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on poor-quality photographs because the artist happened to be a gifted bullshitter.

Like I said, real artists work hard, Andy Warhol was known for spending the majority of his life socializing and doing narcotics.

Also, his drawings weren't terrible, but I'd rate his skill about the same level as a talented 14-year old.

[rdouble]

Andy Warhol never did narcotics. There are a few stories describing situations where he may have done coke, which he denied. The only drug he was known to have taken regularly was a precursor to adderal. He was a very prolific commercial artist and had produced thousands of illustrations, posters and ads before he started employing others to do his gallery work.

[phaus]

Being prolific doesn't make one talented, this article has quite a few of his illustrations, and they simply aren't very good. His work doesn't show unique signs of genius, they just look like the same types of drawings produced by people who are still learning to draw.

Anyone on the planet with a hand can learn to draw at a professional level. It just takes time and thousands of hours of practice. Andy Warhol didn't put in the hours, and because of that his drawings aren't very good. If you can point to a drawing or painting he did that doesn't look like it came from a middle-school art show, I'd love to see it.

http://99designs.com/designer-blog/2012/03/29/andy-warhol-co...

[rdouble]

I was responding to your claim that he spent most of his time doing narcotics and socializing. He did not do narcotics and spent most of his time doing art.

[phaus]

Perhaps he didn't do cocaine, but friends of his said he would deny it even as he was in the middle of doing it. So the only people who will ever know for sure are Andy and his friends.

He was also have said to have to take obetrol (the Adderall precursor) as frequently as one might eat tic tacs, so he was still, by your own admission, a drug addict.

Really though, the point I was trying to make is that he wasn't a very good artist, not because he wasn't capable of it, but because he didn't really try. I could produce a dozen such works an hour (his commercial illustrations), and I'm not an artist either. The difference is, I don't claim to be a professional artist.

I'm not mad at him for making a living, or doing what he loved to do. I just don't think that he was a good artist.

[sambeau]

John Singer-Sargent is exactly the kind of artist that was replaced by the Photograph.

In my book he was, at best, a second-rate Whistler. I am unsure if he ever produced anything original in his career.

Warhol, in his perverse desire to produce the unoriginal produced something truly original.