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by menato 4729 days ago
In what sense there is no freedom of speech in Russia?
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It doesn't make any sense. Gay propaganda is considered to be a crime and it is normal to restrict this crime. Meanwhile one could discuss is it correct to consider such a thing as a crime or not.
I think what air was saying is that in the US, propaganda, of any sort, cannot be a crime, due to the 1st amendment to the US constitution. That is freedom of speech.
Well, it could be so de jure in USA. But de facto we see opposite. Snowden mentioned unconstitutional violation of human rights of US citizen. And now he is hunted by US government, seriously hunted.

Russia is way more open in this perspective.

He did more than just 'mention' it, he stoled government property and disseminated classified information to the public. I'm not saying what he did was 'wrong', but it is illegal and not particularly a free speech issue.

I'm not sure how anyone could say Russia's 'way more open' with a straight face[1].

[1]: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/24/world/europe/russia-free-speec...

These people didn't negotiate this meeting. This is the formal reason.

Informal reason is that they are often organized by the institutions which funded by other countries, institutions, which aim is definitely not a prohibition of Russia.

May be it is a good idea to avoid judgements about countries/cultures, which you don't understand?

>Gay propaganda is considered to be a crime and it is normal to restrict this crime

You asked about freedom of speech, but can't see a problem with what you've said? By your apparent logic, merely declaring something a crime is all the justification you need to restrict freedom of speech.

This is how law based states work, do you love it or not.

I think appropriate analogy is anti-segragation laws in US.

Segregation is not, strict speaking, always illegal in the U.S. though. Nor is taking action to segregate people normally considered "speech".
I meant you could be sued for public racial statements (corresp. gay propaganda). But you could talk about admissibility of such a statements.