[maxharris]

Using simplistic philosophical bases for one's beliefs

Whoa there - why do you call what I've written "simplistic"?

But it's cute you two believe you have any grasp of epistemology, rhetoric, or logic.

And of course, that is the point. None of these things were earned.

That wasn't my point. Let me put it another way: it is not valid to apply the concept of "earn" as you do, in a situation where no choice exists. You can't say that a person has earned his brain, nor can you say that he hasn't. I've already explained why. This is not some minor epistemological issue that I'm going to simply let pass.

But it's cute you two believe you have any grasp of epistemology, rhetoric, or logic.

Please stop with the insults.

[saraid216]

> Whoa there - why do you call what I've written "simplistic"?

Because it does not appreciate complexities. This is the danger of confirmation bias; it reduces a complex reality down to a simple explanation by dismissing contrary evidence.

> You can't say that a person has earned his brain, nor can you say that he hasn't. I've already explained why.

And you're wrong. Your central claim is this: "A person has earned any given X if and only if this person has made a choice." We can say "A person has earned any given X" is P and "A person has made a choice" is Q. Thus, the claim is a simple P <-> Q, which is shorthand for P -> Q AND Q -> P.

Your next claim, however, is "If a person has not made a choice, then this person has neither earned nor not-earned the given X." This looks like ~Q -> ~P, which is logically valid, but it's not. The claim depends on a statement which is completely new. You've defined a third category of existence.

> Please stop with the insults.

Earn my respect. That's a choice on your part, right?

[javert]

> Earn my respect.

This is supposed to be a community where we all respect each other. There is no excuse to be disrespectful to other people here, especially over disagreements about politics and philosophy.

If you want to be part of a community where you are free to be disrespectful to people until they "earn" your respect, you should go somewhere else.

I'm not even commenting on how you made fun of me and maxharris, which is kind of irrelevant because it doesn't support your argument intellectually. I'm only talking about your explicit assertion that you don't have to be respectful as part of the bargain of being in this community.

[saraid216]

Such an authoritarian. If you want me to be respectful, then make a choice and earn that respect from me. What is this, a pg-subsidized respect space? That's immoral.

[javert]

> What is this, a pg-subsidized respect space?

Actually, yes, yes it is.