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by tech-dragon
4739 days ago
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I would hazard that for a given set of axes in the multivarial formula we will call "control" for short. You definitely can be fully in control. The question is "does what I'm doing fit within the bounding space I can exert full control over. Salt as an 'ecosystem' has capabilities that extend more into this area. Salt Cloud and the Salt Bootstrap script are 2 of the things that I feel invalidate some of the argument that tools like Salt ( I wont comment on the Chef & Puppet ecosystems ) are capable of operating much closer to your aim than you give them credit for. For starters, I'd quit before letting a boss tell me their precious snowflake AMI was 'more stable' and I shouldnt waste any time trying to ensure I can recreate it should someone delete the image. In my own workflow, Salt is step 1 in any system. I build a stand alone salt configuration that can from bare OS image on first boot, initialize salt, and then pull the system forward to the desired state. Then for cloud roll out, the next step is to take an image of that VM/Container which I can then replicate much faster. And one of my long terms plans is to hammer Buildbot, Salt, Salt Cloud, and a lot of time into a system that gives end to end control. Now if only I could code a decent UI for it... putting bootstrap on months of work would feel cheap lol. |
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Right. It's probably fair to say that lots of present-era PaaS doesn't give you a large bounding space. Perhaps cloud providers always limit your space. Your own hardware can even provide limitations. But within that which you control, it's extremely important to version, package and test configuration sets .. or you wind up with a wide class of tangential issues.
Salt Cloud and the Salt Bootstrap script [are] capable of operating much closer to your aim than you give them credit for.
You may be right.
... waste any time trying to ensure I can recreate it...
If you can't automate the generation of your environment, you want to maintain the systems that you produce, and they of reasonable complexity, then IMHO you are asking for trouble in the long run. This is something that took me awhile to learn.