[nudetayne]

I think you're getting defensive :). By saying I'm not building complex projects without any knowledge of what I create, you're trying to circumvent your own self-invented inadequacy without actually putting the pressure on yourself. Whether this was done subconsciously or not, I can't say.

I suppose it depends how you interpret the term web developer, since that's what simfoo was discussing. Myself, building browser-based games isn't web development, it's game development, which I feel is an entirely separate domain. Building a website, you really shouldn't need more than a day to put together the HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. The front-end of the majority of most websites is very similar. Normally, this would indicate regular code reuse or warrant a framework, but as indicated in my original post, I haven't found any framework that actually significantly speeds up my development time.

[doktrin]

It would be helpful if you could provide some examples of your work. "Complex" means something different to everybody, so your claim is hard to place in context.

"Less than a day" for "complex" web sites using nothing but raw JavaScript and hand rolled HTML & CSS does sound unusual, both in terms of the result as well as the workflow. Given the verbosity of JS DOM manipulation, I can't really envision a particularly good reason to go down that route for anything but the most performance pegged web applications.

[TallboyOne]

Maybe if you're building a plumbing website for a client, most people here I would imagine build apps and complex works of art though, which definitely take longer than a day to put together.

These tools are crazy helpful in that regard.

[anon1385]

>Building a website, you really shouldn't need more than a day to put together the HTML, CSS, and JavaScript

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5834227