[hosay123]

> you install a package with apt, it pulls in all dependencies, and it Just Works

And what happens in the case of a package not available through apt? ("Sorcery! All applications must be packaged! All shared libraries must be packaged individually!")

And there went your afternoon installing some just-slightly-uncommon piece of software

[vacri]

Then you fall back to this 'superior' individual packaging method. I don't see how this is a counter.

[randallsquared]

If you packaging partisans manage to convince developers of the merits of your position, the individual packaging method won't be easily available: it'll be "wait for the OS maintainers to decide to include the newer version" or "make; make test; make install" (i.e., be your own packager).

[gizmo686]

The developers are still free to package it themselves and distribute installers as .deb, .rpm ETC. If they have a dependency not available in your package manager (or to old a version), they can either also send you that, or have you add their PPA. The only significant problem I see is that their is a fragmented market of packaging systems, which makes it difficult for individual developers to target everyone. Of course *.tar.gz is a good universal installer for when someone doesn't use a major package manager.

[homeomorphic]

We "packaging partisans" are just saying we find classical packaging superior to the every-piece-of-software-on-its-own model, not that the latter isn't an OK fallback if there is no package.

[mwcampbell]

Or you set up pkgsrc under /opt or /usr/pkg or some such, and use that for the software where you want newer versions than your distro provides.