[stanleydrew]

The g1 running android is pretty great. I've been using it for four months and have very few complaints, plus it's a completely open-source system. The new software update provides an onscreen keyboard if you don't like to type on real keys, but I think having the choice to use a tactile keyboard is really nice. I'll also never own an iphone.

[hboon]

It claims to be a completely open-source system. Wasn't there a case where a tethering app was pulled out by Google from Market due to telco pressure?

Of course being Android, with a few more steps, you can add an alternative "market place". But that's besides the point, it is not completely open even though it claims to be.

At the moment, no, experience-wise for the consumer, it is almost always worse than the iPhone.

And yes, I have both phones.

[mseebach]

> Wasn't there a case where a tethering app was pulled out by Google from Market due to telco pressure?

I own neither an iPhone or a G1, so can someone clarify this for me: On the iPhone, you can't get an app on there, except through the App store or jail-breaking? On Andriod, you can do both? So even if your app isn't in the market, you can distribute it separately, which you can't for the iPhone?

[hboon]

That's right. And jail-breaking is not officially supported (that's an understatement) but it works pretty well. So it's a minus for the iPhone.

But then, that's why I said for most consumers, the iPhone is much better. Because for them, the official distribution mechanism is what matters.

The reason why I mentioned the tethering app is that it is not totally open as advertised, although there's more than 1 valid way to work around it.

(You can still distribute apps to the iPhone via ad-hoc or enterprise distribution, but those don't matter here since we are talking about the mass market).

[biafra]

Yes, the Android Market is not open. But the Android OS nonetheless is. If you buy the Android Dev Phone 1, you can modify and compile the source as you wish and flash it onto that phone. No "hacking" necessary.

If you buy a locked-in version from t-mobile you kinda have to "hack" it to flash what you want.

But either way you can install apps without the Android Market.

You can get that tethering app here: http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/

[hboon]

Just thought I clarify:

I'm not saying the Android Market is not an open market. In fact I think it is. It is just not completely open as advertised, if there is such a phrase. And it is definitely more open than Apple App store.

What I am saying is that the App Store along with the iPhone as of now is much better for the majority of consumers. And by that definition, they exclude people who can modify and compile from source :) There are easier ways of course, to distribute/install apps for Android other than through Android Market. You can install from flash drive or even through the browser. But remember, majority of consumers.

I have this thought after developing for the iPhone and investigating Android (I have the Dev Phone and I decided not to) - if you look at the current mobile landscape, it is a new battle ground for Apple. It is like the OS wars again. Instead of Windows/OS X/Linux, we have WM/iPhone OS/Android/Palm Pre. The other platforms may have existing market share (Symbian and BlackBerry), but personally I think these are the ones that will dominate. But instead of how things worked out the last 2 decades which almost killed Apple (and I think on the desktop Macs will continue to be a minority), the iPhone platform has a fresh chance to fight again, and this time, being proprietary, in the sense of the OS not being licensed for other hardware, allows it to have a very distinct advantage over other platforms like WM and Android.

Having said that, while I believe the iPhone platform is the leader now, hopefully it will work out to be more or less evenly spread out, with WM/iPhone/Android/Palm all having significant market share, providing choices, competition and encouraging innovation.

[jcl]

For what it's worth, if NIN submitted the same thing to the Android Market and someone complained, Google could pull it just like Apple did. While I don't think there's anyone actively reviewing the Android apps, there is a wonderfully vague clause in the Android market agreement that says you can't display (or link to!) content unsuitable for people under 18. (Anyone under 18? Everyone under 18? Is Alien Bloodbath really suitable for 3-year-olds? etc.)

http://www.android.com/market/terms/developer-content-policy...

But at least with Android you can still serve the app on your own server.

[mis]

It was pulled by T-Mobile, not Google. You can still get the app if you aren't on T-Mobile.

And of course, you can install any .apk you like.

[hboon]

How did T-Mobile do it without Google doing it for them?