[dkhenry]

I do respect the work they have done to the language, and I have also spent many hours contributing back to PHP and the various projects in the PHP community, however that doesn't change the fact that the _community_ collectively has a hard time dealing with the hard issues that need to be solved. Proof of that is the response you see right here on this forum. Mention how PHP's internals are lacking and get told how I must be a n00b and should just turn on APC. Until PHP starts to take its core defects seriously I don't think it will ever make significant progress as a platform.

[j_col]

> Until PHP starts to take its core defects seriously I don't think it will ever make significant progress as a platform.

I'm sorry, but given that PHP the platform (forgetting about gripes with the language syntax for a moment) has been used on major projects for years, what more significant progress do you want?

Your talking about it as if it needs to prove itself as a viable technology, when clearly this is not the case.

[dkhenry]

^^^^^^ This is the attitude I am talking about. Clearly since it's popular then there is nothing wrong with it. Thats total BS. There are tons of things wrong with it. Yes people do really cool things with the language and the run time, but just because someone using it doesn't make it _good_.

[maratd]

> just because someone using it doesn't make it _good_

Actually, it does. When you give people a large array of choices and they consistently choose the same thing, over and over again, that makes that thing good. Now, it may not be good for exclusively engineering reasons, but it is still nevertheless good.