[fragmede]

All you said was SAAS-for-cars.

What you're suggesting here is a mandatory car disposal/recycling fee that must be paid for by the car manufacturer along with an additional parts tax/fee to incentivize improving longevity of the original parts.

[milfot]

I did say saas for cars, i wasn't totally clear, hence the extra note.. not trying to be antagonistic. a couple of big reasons saas took off so quickly..

1.major cost of delivering a big product with little or no involvement / feedback from customer. 2.customer gets to pay for only the useful life of the service

That is.. saas is a method for sharing risk and aligning usage goals. i am quite definitely not talking about any mandatory structure.

[fragmede]

SAAS has grown quickly, but is simply the age old concept of renting applied to software, with businesses simply trying to make more money, and that's it.

Any incentives due to this 'new' pricing model are incidental.

> I was trying to suggest if the car manufacturing business had a vested (client based) interest in the full lifetime of the car they may design for longevity and upgradeability rather than simply sales and parts.

Structure it how you will, manufacturer's need a financial incentive before optimizing for longer rather than shorter lifetimes. They sell more if cars have shorter lifetimes - 'planned obsolescence' as noted by btilly.

Charging companies directly and creating the financial incentives is one way of causing businesses to have a vested interest in the long-term viability of a product. It may not be what you intended when you wrote it, but a mandatory fee structure is absolutely one way to aligning usage goals.

If there's a pragmatic way to incentivize increasing car and parts duration that doesn't involve some mandatory fee structure and somehow mimics SAAS, for cars, I haven't come up with it.

Culturally, the fetishization of cars is simply a larger symptom of excessive consumerism which isn't something likely to change any time soon (nor will it be easy to change).

Thanks for the response - it's clear we have a difference of opinion on the implications of SAAS, among other things, though I think we can both agree that Tesla shaking up the industry is a good thing. :)

[milfot]

appreciate your points, software is a very different beast and it is probably true that the incentive structure is incidental to saas..

i just happen to think this is the reason for its success

also for a while i used, and loved, zipcar in london and i guess i saw the possibilities..