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by DanBC 4745 days ago
That's just typical Telegraph[1] hateful anti-immigration stuff. perhaps somewhere buried in there are a few grains of truthy material; did multi-culturalism cause ghettos? etc.

> Nowadays, though, most of the tills in my local shops are manned by young Muslim men who mutter into their mobiles as they are serving.

How does the author know they are muslim?

> I see London turning into a place almost exclusively for poor immigrants and the very rich.

I know many white British non-rich people living in London, but the author is right that London is very expensive. There is a problem with London being the place where everything happens. Some organisations are doing stuff to prevent this (government departments going to the regions; companies moving to much cheaper towns with decent[1] transport; BBC moving to the North; etc.) Perhaps the Telegraph could move their offices to Manchester?

A recent comment I made had the throwaway line about the UK being a lousy place to live. So normally I agree when people say the UK, especially London, sucks.

> It wasn’t always the case: since the 1890s thousands of Jewish, Irish, Afro-Caribbean, Asian and Chinese workers, among others, have arrived in the capital, often displacing the indigenous population. Yes, there was hateful overt racism and discrimination, I’m not denying that. But, over time, I believe we settled down into a happy mix of incorporation and shared aspiration, with disparate peoples walking the same pavements but returning to very different homes – something the Americans call “sundown segregation”.

Blacks first arrived in England with the Romans. But, if we restrict ourselves to the bigger immigrations of the Windrush era (1950s) - we still had both hateful racist violence and institutional racism over 40 years later (See Stephen Lawrence murder, 1993).

If I could be arsed I'd trawl through the Telegraph archives to find the hateful screeds they've printed in the past. Faced with that level of hate it's not surprising that people prefer to avoid Telegraph writers.

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Yeah, I'd agree with you that The Telegraph isn't the most balanced of sources when it comes to immigration. It's an overtly right-wing paper.
Why is the slant of the source relevant?

This is the opinion of one person.

I tabled it to invite dissenting voices to offer sensible and rational critiques of the premise not petty and bitter ideologues who want to silence all dissonant viewpoints even when they may have more than a shred of truth value.

There are plenty of such people on sites like Gawker.

I thought this place was a platform for sensible and intellectually upright discussion.

Well, that one person is a polite racist and is using tactics from concern trolling to push their racist agenda; that person isn't wanting to engage in an intellectually rigorous discussion.

We ignore the trolls here.[1]

[1] I WISH. HN is vulnerable to trolling and there are many threads to prove this. :-(