[huxley]

I'm curious about what you think is "magic" in Django? It does have a lot more included than Flask/Werkzeug/Jinja2 but it did start in the era before Pip/VirtualEnv existed so a lot more had to be included.

After numerous purges (the magic-removal-branch being the biggest) and deprecations over the years since 1.0, Django is IMO pretty magic-free. If you have suggestions of what isn't Pythonic enough, I think the core team would appreciate a ticket on Trac:

  https://code.djangoproject.com/newticket

[Funnnny]

I think it's the different between a normal python application and a web app: url dispatcher/route, request handler, template, extension...I started with Django, but Flask clears thing better for me.