[twoodfin]

Pray tell, which Islamic nations was the U.S. "occupying" on 9/11? We're getting way off topic, re: decadence and "hating freedom", but let me try to bring it back. Why blow up the World Trade Center? Surely that was a symbolic act, against a quintessentially civilian target.

[ucee054]

As I've stated elsewhere, and as you can find by googling what jihadis actually say about their motives, the motive for 911 included the occupation of Palestine and US enabling of it.

And if they wanted to make a symbolic attack, they would have hit the Statue of Liberty, not financial and military targets like the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Furthermore it is you who are taking things off-topic.

The topic was jlgreco commenting about the Granai massacre, and how resistance in Afghanistan is because (sarcastically) "they hate us for our freedoms"

You tried to make it out that "Western Decadence" in fact was the reason, which is plain WRONG and contradicted by authorities which I have cited and provided references for.

You have repeatedly attempted to derail the point by going off on a tangent about Osama Ben Laden's psychology, or why Nicaraguans haven't reacted the same way, despite all of my efforts to stick to the topic. The 911 example is a similar red herring, because NO Afghans, Taleban or otherwise, were involved in that attack.

Just admit that you are wrong, will you?

[tome]

> As I've stated elsewhere, and as you can find by googling what jihadis actually say about their motives, the motive for 911 included the occupation of Palestine and US enabling of it.

It doesn't matter what they say. It matters what's true, and it matters what's right.

It's as though you defend a child's tantrum because the child explained "my mummy didn't buy me any sweeties".

[ucee054]

What, you think they are NOT mad about Palestine?

You think jihadis are in truth really pleased about how Palestinians were ethnically cleansed, how they can't get their homes back and how they're treated like dirt everyday?

That's retarded, they're mad as hell about it, and as it happens many non-terrorist Middle Easterners are mad as hell about it too. If you doubt that, read the 2004 Pentagon Defense Science Board Report.

Furthermore, many non-Middle Easterners are mad as hell about it too. Many jews are mad as hell about it as well, as you can see from looking up eg mondoweiss.net

Finally, many Americans - including veterans and ex-intelligence personnel - are mad as hell about the American money and lives being expended to harm the Middle East on Israel's behalf, which you can see by looking up eg The Council for the National Interest.

[tome]

They may well be angry at how they perceive Israel and the US is behaving towards the Palestinians.

However, it does not mean that anger is justified, and it does not justify attacks on civilians.

[ucee054]

By the way, its not a "perception", it's the US backing Israeli war crimes as a point of FACT.

Don't try to justify Israel to me because you will look stupid when I list for you Israeli sources admitting Israel's aggression.

Starting with the Israeli national archives which have detailed the ethnic cleansing in 1948.

Stay on topic. Don't justify Israel. Just don't go there. Please.

[ucee054]

Well then the idiotic vengeful angry US response to 911 is also unjustified, and also does not justify attacks on civilians.

Particularly drone "signature strikes" against first responders, which have killed MANY more people than 911.

Decide which standard you want to have, and then realize that it applies to your favoured side too.

Which by the way started most of the problems in the first place.

[tome]

You're not going to hear me defending the Patriot Act, or the Iraq war, or the way the Afghanistan war has massively overstepped its original purpose.