[prollyignored]

People in 20-30 ages neither have virtue, nor know the meaning of value. They structure their lives around "fun", which is definable, post-hoc.

edit: by post-hoc I mean, facebook was never meant for memes, but it does now. So you say "facbook is about fun memes", "XXXX was fun". Both of them were not in the original idea, but you express the fallacy.

The fact is, the 15-30's people doze off in a third rate movie, have fun by poking and squeaking.

And I have watch, ppt's about my company's future.

[jabbernotty]

Those are some really broad brush strokes.

[jacques_chester]

In fairness to prollyignored, he's fighting broad brush strokes with broad brush strokes.

[prollyignored]

My point is specifically this:

My old guy, would goto

* The same barber

* Same Grocery store

* Have the Same locally made cigar

* Listen to the same news casters.

I was always the type of person who would experiment. Age is fucking with me now.

And now, like my dad I look for "virtuous" people/business to trust.

I structure my life around virtuous behavior because I have kids.

In short, people my age give money(value) to virtue.

The above addresses,

> Virtue is not value.

> Value is not virtue.

No one feels happy for being called a master chef and be paid, when he works for a fast food chain. That's the gist of OP's feeling.

> I'm trying to save him some angst.

No, you are arguing for business without morality, like the late night infomercials which, the entire 20-30 oriented startups are, in a way.

Things you never wanted, but you have an ab-cruncher in your house anyway.

[pjungwir]

> And now, like my dad I look for "virtuous" people/business to trust.

This relates to the virtue/value discussion elsewhere in this thread. As a consultant I'm learning that some companies are price-averse and some are risk-averse. The latter are willing to pay more to lower their risks. In other words they are willing to pay more to people they trust, which they base on perceived virtue. So here is at least one case where virtue really does have value precisely as virtue (leaving aside the difference between appearance vs. reality).

[thejteam]

True, although people have been painting with those brush strokes for thousands of years. Aristotle wrote similarly.

[mc-lovin]

It is also just barely too incoherent to argue against.

I guess some skills do improve with age.