[bincat]

You should show them this snippet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM7HQ_zbdIw#t=8m00s

But yeah, until they see negative results, I doubt majority is going to start caring.

[nsmartt]

Thank you. This is an argument that I've made after much frustration and many other points. It never occurred to me to make it the center of my argument. You have no idea how glad I am to have seen this.