[rlpb]

> And I am not arguing against it, just that in the end someone has to pay for it.

What if it turned out that the baby pays for it because the improved average upbringing allows the baby to earn more and consequently pay more tax in absolute terms, though not in percentage terms?

Would it be a cost to the taxpayer then?

[jan_g]

As it happens, I am one of such tax payers, since I live in a country with similar arrangements for young parents as Finland. Also, by having two kids, I have been twice a beneficiary of this system. To repeat, I completely support such system, I just don't agree with ProcessBlue's statement, quote, ".. bit fuzzy but if I remember correctly the FREE tier of forming babby in Finland includes ...".

[Domenic_S]

What if the improved upbringing opens up more opportunities for the child -- in other countries? So now instead of an average taxpayer you get nothing at all?

[Gravityloss]

It certainly gives lots of job opportunities - for example in the USA. With finnish mediocre salaries and high tax rates, americans think young couples are crazy to return here to raise their families. Yet they do. Certainly they're not returning directly because of a cardboard box.

There are many places which extract some high value years from the workforce of some other country, for example I've heard that many educated german speaking young people go to work in Switzerland for a few years but ultimately return.

It's a bit unclear to me who wins here.

[saraid216]

Obviously the opportunities afforded in your own country weren't sufficient and you should probably work on that rather than crippling children.

[jrokisky]

I think this idea is often over looked. How much money/time is spent solving problems caused by overwork?

[icebraining]

It depends. "Brain drain" is a real problem for many nations.

[anigbrowl]

Not the ones with advanced economies and reliable social safety nets, though. People tend to leave places that don't offer economic security and opportunity for those that do.

[flagnog]

but you're assuming that this improves the upbringing.

[saraid216]

If you're suggesting that health and parental attention does not contribute to a quality upbringing, I'd like to see some studies cited.