[SilasX]

Thank you. That formalizes a lot of what I've been thinking, but have been unable to say, in discussions revolving around Turing-completeness.

It gets kinda frustrating when actual I/O considerations get waved away as "irrelevant" or "implementation issues".

I remember another discussion where someone said he wrote an IRC chatbot "in brainfuck". Wait, brainfuck can do internet access now??? "Well, I mean, I set up an IRC socket using a real language and hooked the brainfuck code's standard I/O into it ..."